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Yeah, I think incentivizing hell with an exp bonus is a good idea... I just hate the idea of the "ultimate push to 99" happening in nightmare. That's really anti-climactic.

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Maelfyn wrote:
It's dex. Get some dex, brah.


Unfortunately, there aren't a whole lot of good DEX items.. I have 100+ Elite items now and have only found like two items with dex made for melee. Most have Attack Speed / Casting Haste / Dex or some weird combo like that.


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Would it be possible to include melee chance to hit on the character sheet so we can make an educated decision on gear selection?


Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:14 pm
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Good idea. Sure.

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Maelfyn wrote:
Yeah, I think incentivizing hell with an exp bonus is a good idea... I just hate the idea of the "ultimate push to 99" happening in nightmare. That's really anti-climactic.


Something to keep in mind too - you rarely get elite items in Nightmare.. I've received 99% of mine in Hell, so people will definitely want to farm Hell to improve their gear. I wish I could get the best XP in Hell, so I could farm items at the same time.

Think out of the ~60million XP I've done.. the breakdown is roughly:

25m in Hell
35m in Nightmare


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My intended design is for act 1 hell to be a good "beachhead" to break into elite gear so that people will be prepared for more difficult challenges that await in act 4.

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Maelfyn wrote:
Yeah, I think incentivizing hell with an exp bonus is a good idea... I just hate the idea of the "ultimate push to 99" happening in nightmare. That's really anti-climactic.


I'm thinking back to how Diablo 2 handled the leveling curve. Does Nevergrind use the same system?

Specifically:
    Player level difference to the mob is used in the exp calculation.
    Champion mobs and bosses are considered several levels higher for the calculation.


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Yes and sort of. Level difference is definitely considered. Champions/bosses simply have more exp assigned to them, so sort of, yes. They're not considered "higher levels" exactly.

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What level is crap at the high end of nightmare? Like 78ish?

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Diablo 2 used the following leveling curve to encourage players to fight mobs their level if they wanted to get experience.

Experience gains are penalized when the monsters are more than 5 levels below the character.
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Lvl Diff    %Exp
6            81%
7            62%
8            43%
9            24%
10+          5%


I take it Nevergrind has no where near as steep of a penalty as Diablo's 5%. TadaceAce makes a good point about swarming offering a fun alternative way to play so I'm not saying Nevergrind should have to do the same. Just wanted to put that info out there.

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Yeah, Nevergrind's curve is way more generous. I still think the right move is slightly reducing mobs < 80% of your level while slightly boosting hell exp across the board.

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Maelfyn wrote:
What level is crap at the high end of nightmare? Like 78ish?


NM Galeblast Fortress 1 71-72
NM Galeblast Fortress 4 73
NM Ashenflow Peak 1 73
NM Ashenflow Peak 4 75
NM Dire Sanctum 74 - 76
NM Nimgaul 76 - 77

Hell Salubrin Forest 69 - 70
Hell Greenthorn Cavern 1 72


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Maelfyn wrote:
What level is crap at the high end of nightmare? Like 78ish?


Unfortunately, you can't endlessly chain in Dire Sanctum or Nimgaul. I usually do my grinding in Ashenflow Peak 2 on L.73 mobs since I don't need to reload after I've cleared the zone.

It would certainly be nice if you could endlessly grind in all of the zones.


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That change seems likely in 1-0-5.

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Maelfyn wrote:
That change seems likely in 1-0-5.


Exciting!


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Confirmed chaining in all zones in 1-0-5. Umm... I put this in for some reason... I forget why now. It'll probably come back to bite me lol.

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Maelfyn wrote:
Confirmed chaining in all zones in 1-0-5. Umm... I put this in for some reason... I forget why now. It'll probably come back to bite me lol.


It was so your level 98s could skip through nightmare namby pamby land instead of grinding in hell. :D


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