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Author:  Tezl [ Mon May 25, 2015 8:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Alacrity Intermittent
I'm using the alacrity enchanter talent, and it seems that my own haste and my charmed pet sometimes drops out. The buff icon is there, but the pet slows down (maybe by half?). My own attacks seem to be slower too. Recasting doesn't seem to fix, and dropping charm and re-charming doesn't always fix it either. The best I can tell is if you leave the zone and come back, or charm another pet that'll clear it up. Sometimes just waiting long enough will fix it too.

I think I saw another post about this somewhere here, but can't find the thread atm.

Edit: Running from combat when this bug is happening seems to make the cooldown of run go from the normal 6 seconds up to 12.

Happens in both Chrome and Firefox.
Author:  Maelfyn [ Tue May 26, 2015 12:34 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Alacrity Intermittent
I'll take a look...
Author:  Maelfyn [ Tue May 26, 2015 12:44 am ]
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I think I see the problem there. It looks like the alacrity buff timer wasn't clearing upon death. As a result it would set your haste to zero, but also reset the buff later which made your haste negative. Check your haste on the offense tab next time. It should be obvious there's a bug when it's happening. It'll get fixed next update.
Author:  Tezl [ Tue May 26, 2015 1:50 pm ]
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Thats good news, thanks!
Author:  Tezl [ Tue May 26, 2015 2:20 pm ]
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Ah, you're right. My haste went from 44% to -12%, then back up to 22%.
Author:  Tezl [ Sun Jun 14, 2015 1:40 pm ]
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This problem is still happening to me. Pet haste still will drop to negative sometimes refresh alacrity (and sometimes on its own?). Letting the buff expire has the best chance of it not bugging out, but the negative haste thing is still happening. The 12-second Run from combat thing is still happening.

I cry inside when I finally clear Nimgaul and start farming and this happens since the only fix is relog and start again.
Author:  Tezl [ Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:24 pm ]
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Example of what seems to be happening:
Cast Alacrity. 2 minutes later haste stops working (still unsure why). Re-cast Alacrity and haste seems fixed. Haste stops working again ~3 minutes later (5 minutes after the initial cast) haste stops working again. I guess that makes sense, that's the whole duration of the spell. Haste works again for a little. 2 minutes later haste stops working again. This is 5 minutes after the second cast. The whole time the haste icon is up, but my attack haste is will sometimes stay the same and sometimes drop to negative %.

So it seems like 2 things are happening. 1) the buff is getting dropped somehow, but the icon stays. 2) Re-casting Alacrity doesn't refresh the duration of the buff, it...adds another one?
Author:  Suvana [ Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:33 pm ]
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Just to muddy the waters a bit - seems like Alacrity doesn't always "stick" to the charm pet. It looks fine on me, registers 40%, but the pet just doesn't attack faster (or starts doing a weird sort of lurchy attack mode). Recasting, recharming, nothing seems to fix except patience and occasionally the pet will suddenly remember it's supposed to be hasted and speed up. No clue what causes this. Sometimes will happen right at the start of charm (ie never picks up haste), sometimes after buff wears off and recasts, sometimes just in the middle of things. No deaths to explain it. No debuffs. Doesn't seem to happen to the high level chanter any more.
Author:  Tezl [ Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:47 pm ]
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Suvana wrote:
Just to muddy the waters a bit - seems like Alacrity doesn't always "stick" to the charm pet. It looks fine on me, registers 40%, but the pet just doesn't attack faster (or starts doing a weird sort of lurchy attack mode). Recasting, recharming, nothing seems to fix except patience and occasionally the pet will suddenly remember it's supposed to be hasted and speed up. No clue what causes this. Sometimes will happen right at the start of charm (ie never picks up haste), sometimes after buff wears off and recasts, sometimes just in the middle of things. No deaths to explain it. No debuffs. Doesn't seem to happen to the high level chanter any more.


Agreed, I've had all these same experiences. I've been playing bard instead of enchanter lately, and their charm haste seems to be OK.
Author:  Tezl [ Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Alacrity Intermittent
It looks like when charmed pets get slowed through slow or chill, they have a greater chance of not returning to normal attack speed when the debuff wears off. They either attack really slow, or go negative attack speed and just stand there. This is usually what gets me killed...when I try to charm another pet to replace the broken one. Getting a new pet fixes this, leading me to believe its somehow related to how debuffs effect pets.
Author:  Suvana [ Sat Jun 20, 2015 8:23 am ]
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I think there might be timer weirdness going on too. Haste seems to wear off the pet a little before the buff icon goes (and on a couple of occasions haste has worn off ME before the buff icon even started flashing). Double casts of alacrity also seem to cause problems.
Author:  Maelfyn [ Sat Jun 20, 2015 1:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Alacrity Intermittent
I'll try to fix this tonight.
Author:  beaster [ Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:18 pm ]
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Any of you all figure out how to make sure this doesnt happen? Negative haste freaking hurts. Any thing fix it aside from relog?
Author:  Tezl [ Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:48 pm ]
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No. The best you can do is to not refresh alacrity until it wears off. The pet attack speed will eventually still break and there is no fix, but you could swap pets. Drop pet, turn off attack, cast AE mesmerize, pick a new pet. Look for something with viscous, frenzied, or whatever the other affix with backstabbing is.

For what it's worth, I think this problem is too risky and annoying so I quit playing my enchanter for now.
Author:  beaster [ Tue Jun 23, 2015 9:04 pm ]
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Thats a shame, they are so fucking fun. But yeah once that bug hits its just.. awful
Author:  Maelfyn [ Tue Jun 23, 2015 9:05 pm ]
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Gonna give this a close look tonight.
Author:  Tezl [ Tue Jun 23, 2015 9:22 pm ]
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Maelfyn wrote:
Gonna give this a close look tonight.


Let me know if there's any other testing you'd like done.
Author:  beaster [ Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:12 pm ]
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Likewise on the testing. And again, thanks for checking into this.
Author:  Maelfyn [ Wed Jun 24, 2015 1:24 am ]
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Okay... I think it works now... uploading... let me know if it's mo' betta.
Author:  beaster [ Wed Jun 24, 2015 1:32 am ]
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Oh god enchanters are fun. Will get back to you once I clean up the mess in my pants and try to break it
Author:  beaster [ Wed Jun 24, 2015 3:36 am ]
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Not been able to bug it out so far!

Im still progressing so havent gotten into a hardcore combo grind. Maybe itll screw up on a pet still but hasnt seemed like it yet and definitely hasnt screwed up on my character. So thats a mega win. Thanks a lot for the fix
Author:  beaster [ Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:56 am ]
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its still pretty screwy after further testing. Fortunately recasting it fixes the problem.
Author:  Maelfyn [ Wed Jun 24, 2015 9:48 am ]
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Maybe it's a chill effect causing problems. I can check.
Author:  beaster [ Thu Jun 25, 2015 4:33 am ]
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Pet was doing fine and then it got yawned. Then attacks went to like.. once every 30 seconds. Even after I broke charm they just sat there.

Assuming chill is doing the same thing. Maybe even blizzard too?

Its pretty bad. I can definitely see what you were saying about it being kindve unplayable Tezi

Player haste still bugs out quite a bit. Recasting will correct it. So thats annoying but meh. But pet haste pretty much cant be fixed without just breaking charm and killing it and getting a new pet. Which is basically awful lol
Author:  Maelfyn [ Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:32 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Alacrity Intermittent
I'll revisit this. I think I know what will take care of these issues.
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