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Author:  SeismicRend [ Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:14 pm ]
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Would it be possible to include melee chance to hit on the character sheet so we can make an educated decision on gear selection?
Author:  Maelfyn [ Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:15 pm ]
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Good idea. Sure.
Author:  mukkel [ Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:16 pm ]
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Maelfyn wrote:
Yeah, I think incentivizing hell with an exp bonus is a good idea... I just hate the idea of the "ultimate push to 99" happening in nightmare. That's really anti-climactic.


Something to keep in mind too - you rarely get elite items in Nightmare.. I've received 99% of mine in Hell, so people will definitely want to farm Hell to improve their gear. I wish I could get the best XP in Hell, so I could farm items at the same time.

Think out of the ~60million XP I've done.. the breakdown is roughly:

25m in Hell
35m in Nightmare
Author:  Maelfyn [ Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:20 pm ]
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My intended design is for act 1 hell to be a good "beachhead" to break into elite gear so that people will be prepared for more difficult challenges that await in act 4.
Author:  TadaceAce [ Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:26 pm ]
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I don't agree with nerfing swarming nightmare, its significantly more fun and effective to level this way than single pull / short chains in hell but it comes with the huge drawback of you won't find any useful gear. It's a good balance at the moment, you can either level faster or try to find new gear.
Author:  SeismicRend [ Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:40 pm ]
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Maelfyn wrote:
Yeah, I think incentivizing hell with an exp bonus is a good idea... I just hate the idea of the "ultimate push to 99" happening in nightmare. That's really anti-climactic.


I'm thinking back to how Diablo 2 handled the leveling curve. Does Nevergrind use the same system?

Specifically:
    Player level difference to the mob is used in the exp calculation.
    Champion mobs and bosses are considered several levels higher for the calculation.
Author:  Maelfyn [ Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:41 pm ]
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Yes and sort of. Level difference is definitely considered. Champions/bosses simply have more exp assigned to them, so sort of, yes. They're not considered "higher levels" exactly.
Author:  Maelfyn [ Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:55 pm ]
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What level is crap at the high end of nightmare? Like 78ish?
Author:  SeismicRend [ Fri Apr 24, 2015 6:03 pm ]
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Diablo 2 used the following leveling curve to encourage players to fight mobs their level if they wanted to get experience.

Experience gains are penalized when the monsters are more than 5 levels below the character.
Code:
Lvl Diff    %Exp
6            81%
7            62%
8            43%
9            24%
10+          5%


I take it Nevergrind has no where near as steep of a penalty as Diablo's 5%. TadaceAce makes a good point about swarming offering a fun alternative way to play so I'm not saying Nevergrind should have to do the same. Just wanted to put that info out there.

Reference
Author:  Maelfyn [ Fri Apr 24, 2015 6:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Skill Caps
Yeah, Nevergrind's curve is way more generous. I still think the right move is slightly reducing mobs < 80% of your level while slightly boosting hell exp across the board.
Author:  SeismicRend [ Fri Apr 24, 2015 6:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Skill Caps
Maelfyn wrote:
What level is crap at the high end of nightmare? Like 78ish?


NM Galeblast Fortress 1 71-72
NM Galeblast Fortress 4 73
NM Ashenflow Peak 1 73
NM Ashenflow Peak 4 75
NM Dire Sanctum 74 - 76
NM Nimgaul 76 - 77

Hell Salubrin Forest 69 - 70
Hell Greenthorn Cavern 1 72
Author:  mukkel [ Fri Apr 24, 2015 6:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Skill Caps
Maelfyn wrote:
What level is crap at the high end of nightmare? Like 78ish?


Unfortunately, you can't endlessly chain in Dire Sanctum or Nimgaul. I usually do my grinding in Ashenflow Peak 2 on L.73 mobs since I don't need to reload after I've cleared the zone.

It would certainly be nice if you could endlessly grind in all of the zones.
Author:  Maelfyn [ Fri Apr 24, 2015 6:21 pm ]
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That change seems likely in 1-0-5.
Author:  mukkel [ Fri Apr 24, 2015 6:53 pm ]
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Maelfyn wrote:
That change seems likely in 1-0-5.


Exciting!
Author:  Maelfyn [ Fri Apr 24, 2015 11:50 pm ]
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Confirmed chaining in all zones in 1-0-5. Umm... I put this in for some reason... I forget why now. It'll probably come back to bite me lol.
Author:  SeismicRend [ Fri Apr 24, 2015 11:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Skill Caps
Maelfyn wrote:
Confirmed chaining in all zones in 1-0-5. Umm... I put this in for some reason... I forget why now. It'll probably come back to bite me lol.


It was so your level 98s could skip through nightmare namby pamby land instead of grinding in hell. :D
Author:  TadaceAce [ Sat Apr 25, 2015 12:07 am ]
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SeismicRend wrote:
Maelfyn wrote:
Confirmed chaining in all zones in 1-0-5. Umm... I put this in for some reason... I forget why now. It'll probably come back to bite me lol.


It was so your level 98s could skip through nightmare namby pamby land instead of grinding in hell. :D


Would you want to risk 20 million xp on a mistake!? I'm not going for 99 but if I was and died... all motivation gone forever.
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