I imagine this wasn't intended since Boastful Bellow is essentially the single target dissonance and dissonance has a dot icon.

Thanks. Fixed next update.

I'm going to put any bard related stuff I find in this thread.

The lvl20 bonus for chant of battle "enchant your weapons with a magical melody" doesn't seem to work. I don't know what its supposed to do but I can't find a function.

That adds +magic damage to your weapons. I should add a tooltip though.

http://nevergrind.com/blog/nevergrind-p ... es-0-8-97/

Aw yes, I'm not very good about noticing the additional numbers that don't pop up in my combat log unless I'm looking for them.

Next up, desperate dirge seems to function as a buff and is persistent to new enemies. E.g. I cast dirge on an enemy and then pull another, dirge will effect the new enemy but it won't pop up a dot icon. If this is the intended function, please change it to add a buff icon rather than, or in addition to, the dot icon.

General comments about bard is you did a phenomenal job with the class design. I've played pretty much every class at this point and the way bard handles resource management and his songs makes playing the game feel brand new again. My dps is currently very lacking (closing in on end of normal) but I can't even predict how it will scale its such a complicated class.

Thanks! Yes, the Bard's design was kind of a nightmare because everything was different. I can see why there were so many Bard-specific bugs in classic EQ. Do you think the Bard's singing time is too fast? I thought about nerfing it today lol...

Singing speed doesn't affect most of their sources of damage; DoTs, charmed pet auto attacks, and player auto attacks. Maybe place a short CD on Boastful Bellow and Dissension if you want to prevent the bard from spamming them? Past early levels the mana cost is no longer a deterrent.

Btw, of the five maintenance buffs, Elemental Rhythms is one verse shorter. It's 5 verses (15s) compared to 6 verses (18s) for all the others. Is this a bug?

Nope, 5 verses with Accelerando. Some songs are just shorter.

Bards singing is kind of fast, but as said above, their singing speed is a QoL more than OP thing. It makes maintaining the buffs much easier. If maintaining these buffs made bard OP, it'd be one thing, but these buffs are the core of the bard and even with them he's struggling a bit.



Also a bummer, it's reasonable, classic EQ did the same thing. I don't bother changing my rotation for it and just suffer ~2 seconds without it.

Also, found another bug. Something with the way anthem de arms interacts with charmed pets. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I'm not entirely sure on this one, my best theory is selos only effects the duration of anthem on yourself and not your pet but even testing that is inconclusive. I'll let you know if I figure this one out.

So, yeah



Those are all bleeds from song of sirens lvl20 bonus. They don't do a whole lot of damage but it sure looks clunky. I'd prefer the damage stacks into 1 bigger tick and only 1 dot icon.

Yeah, but inflicting 14 bleed icons makes you feel so powerful.

Ha, its certainly not gamebreaking if you want to leave it.

Talented + pet damage doesn't work on charmed pet spell damage. Bug or intended?

I just started a Bard a minute ago, at level 2, in the first area. I pulled a level 3 orc. Couldn't kill it. Got it to half health and died.

Poor Bards.

It gets better. But yeah, they are incredibly tough to start.

Goes to show how weak Bleed is prior to endgame that you can stack 14 of them without killing the mob. Seems to deal 0.6875% of their current hp per second.

It deals a percentage of their current health, so it hits harder when their health is high.

I noticed dissonance behaves the same way dirge above as a buff rather than DoT. If this is intended, please move the icon to a buff.

You lost me there. It looks like a DoT to me... just like Dirge.

If I cast dirge on a guy, he dies in 2 ticks and then pull another guy, dirge will hit the new guy as soon as it ticks without me having to cast it again. Worse, the DoT icon doesn't appear unless the enemy was pulled before the song was cast even though they are taking damage from it. It, and dissonance, actually functions like a buff for 6/9 verses that every 3 seconds hits all enemies.

This seems to fit the song description even though I sort of associate tick with DoTs.
"Chords of Dissonance ticks on all targets for XXX to YYY magic damage for 6 verses every 3 seconds"

If this is the intended function, shouldn't they appear as buffs similar to the other buff songs?

Makes perfect sense to me bro. It's an AE song. A bard is playing an annoying song that hurts their ears. They join the battle. Their ears start to bleed. The AE debuff doesn't appear until they're hit by it for the first time. I have a hard time considering it a buff if it doesn't "buff" yourself at all.

However, I DO see the value of having the buff on yourself because it makes it easier to notice when it's fading.

Good point.

I did see it as a QoL improvement as you said so you know when it is ticking. I usually use it in my standard rotation but its annoying to keep track of if I'm conserving mana or doing something besides regular chaining.

See if anyone else braves the early levels of bard and they can give some feedback here as well.

Alright, I'm convinced. It would be better as a buff.

I see you changed it. Thank you!

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